House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Resolution Killed on a voice vote
The House took up 291 bills: 233 together on the consent calendar, then 58 one by one, listed below by bill.
Granite Record indexes the General Court’s record; it is not that record. Where a citation allows only one source, cite the General Court — every page here links to what it is drawn from. The date below is the day the page was read.
@misc{session-H-2007-03-27,
title = {The House, Tuesday, March 27, 2007},
howpublished = {Granite Record},
url = {https://graniterecord.org/session/H/2007-03-27},
note = {Accessed 19 Oct. 2026}
}The House assembled at 10:00 AM, a prayer was offered and Rep. Fran Wendelboe (R - Belk 1) led the Pledge of Allegiance.
Presiding over the House during the day: Rep. Terie Norelli (D - Rock 26), Speaker of the House, and Rep. Linda Foster (D - Hills 4), Deputy Speaker of the House.
The journal records 26 members as having leave of the House for the day, that is, permission to be away. A member on leave may still have voted on part of the day, and the roll call record does not always agree with the journal about who was excused.
Rep. William Brennan (D - Straf 1) Rep. Peter Cote (D - Hills 25) Rep. Stephanie Eaton (R - Graf 1) Rep. Vincent Greco (D - Merr 7) Rep. Bruce Heald (R - Belk 3) Rep. Jean Jeudy (D - Hills 10) Rep. Stephen Johnson (D - Hills 13) Rep. Suzanne Laliberte (D - Graf 10) Rep. Rudy Lessard (R - Hills 27) Rep. Thomas Loll (D - Ches 6) Rep. Benjamin Moore (R - Rock 14) Rep. Maureen Nagle (D - Hills 15) Rep. Sandra Smith (D - Hills 9) Rep. Benjamin Baroody (D - Hills 39) Rep. Jane Beaulieu (D - Hills 19) Rep. Franklin Bishop (R - Rock 3) Rep. Mark Clark (R - Hills 18) Rep. Carolyn Lisle (D - Hills 26) Rep. Thomas McGuirk (D - Rock 15) Rep. Timothy O'Connell (R - Hills 6) Rep. Stanley Plifka (D - Ches 4) Rep. Marshall Quandt (R - Rock 13) Rep. Eric Rochette (D - Hills 20) Rep. Mary Sysyn (D - Hills 11) Rep. Burton Williams (R - Graf 8) Rep. Jayne Spaulding (R - Hills 18)
The record does not say what order these came in: the journal page is cited on only a few of them, so they are listed by bill.
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Resolution Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–2.
Lay on the Table (Set the bill aside)
Motion Passed: Bill Tabled 207–107 on a division
In the record: Lay on Table (Rep C. Chase)
Remove from the Table (Take the bill back up)
Motion Failed: Stays on the Table 104–240 on a division
In the record: Remove from Table (Rep Vaillancourt)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 9–5; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–3.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 15–1.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0716h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0716h (New Title)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 11–5.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 8–4; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0917h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 10–7.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0844h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 251–97 on a roll call
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0844h (New Title)
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 11–6.
Lay on the Table (Set the bill aside)
Motion Passed: Bill Tabled on a voice vote
In the record: Lay on Table (Rep Phinizy)
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 12–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 238–109 on a division
Spoke for the motionRep. Stephen DeStefano (D - Merr 13)
Spoke against the motionRep. William Hatch (D - Coos 6)
House Commerce recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 15–2.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0784h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 333–16 on a division
Spoke for the motionRep. Stephen Spratt (D - Hills 4)
Spoke against the motionRep. Susi Nord (D - Rock 1)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Children and Family Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 11–7; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 237–108 on a roll call
Spoke for the motionRep. Edward Moran (R - Hills 18) Rep. Anne Grassie (D - Straf 11)
Spoke against the motionRep. Carolyn Gargasz (R - Hills 27) Rep. Mary Beth Walz (D - Merr 23) Rep. Anthony Matarazzo (D - Hills 20)
House Commerce recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 12–4.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0828h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0828h (New Title)
House Election Law recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 14–2.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0572h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0572h (New Title)
Spoke for the motionRep. Steve Vaillancourt (R - Hills 15)
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 12–4.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 11–4; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0517h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 16–0.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0920h, 0971h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendments #0920h(New Title) & #0971h(2nd New Title)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 15–1.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 15–0.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0584h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 14–1.
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed on a voice vote
House Finance recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 24–0.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0965h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0965h (New Title)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 15–1.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 14–1.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0640h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
House Children and Family Law recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 13–6; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0350h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 204–135 on a roll call
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 15–2.
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed on a voice vote
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 15–2; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
Spoke for the motionRep. Leigh Webb (D - Merr 3)
Spoke against the motionRep. Linda McCarthy (D - Rock 5)
House Finance recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 16–6.
Adopt the Floor Amendment (Change the bill from the floor)
Motion Failed 150–176 on a roll call
Moved by Rep. Gregory Sorg (R - Graf 3).
In the record: Adopt Floor Amendment 0989h
Spoke for the motionRep. Gregory Sorg (R - Graf 3) Rep. Anthony DiFruscia (R - Rock 4)
Spoke against the motionRep. Frederick King (R - Coos 1) Rep. Elizabeth Hager (R - Merr 12)
Lay the Amendment on the Table (Set the amendment aside)
Motion Passed: Amendment Tabled 171–155 on a division
In the record: Lay on Table (Rep Campbell): Amendment {0990h}NT (Rep Sorg)
Lay on the Table (Set the bill aside)
Motion Failed 145–182 on a roll call
In the record: Lay on Table (Rep Hopfgarten)
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0740h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 170–157 on a roll call
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0740h (New Title)
Reconsider (Vote again on a decision)
Motion Failed: Earlier Vote Stands 134–194 on a division
In the record: Reconsideration (Rep Bergin)
Also spoke during this billRep. Gregory Sorg (R - Graf 3)the record does not say which of the day's motions
House Education recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 12–6; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed 213–142 on a division
Spoke for the motionRep. Barbara Shaw (D - Hills 16)
Spoke against the motionRep. Carson
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 10–6; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed 165–112 on a division
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Criminal Justice and Public Safety recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 10–8; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 185–173 on a roll call
Spoke for the motionRep. Stanley Stevens (R - Carr 4) Rep. Laura Pantelakos (D - Rock 25) Rep. William Knowles (D - Straf 6)
Spoke against the motionRep. Lee Hammond (D - Graf 11) Rep. Paul McEachern (D - Rock 16) Rep. James Splaine (D - Rock 16) Rep. Anthony DiFruscia (R - Rock 4)
Reconsider (Vote again on a decision)
Motion Failed: Earlier Vote Stands 152–206 on a division
In the record: Reconsideration (Rep Wendelboe)
Spoke against the motionRep. Fran Wendelboe (R - Belk 1)
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 16–0.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 930h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 325–12 on a division
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #930h (New Title)
Spoke for the motionRep. Patricia McMahon (D - Merr 3) Rep. Neal Kurk (R - Hills 2)
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–4.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 12–3.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 283–72 on a roll call
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–3.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–3.
Special Order (Take the bill up at a set time)
Motion Passed: Rescheduled on a voice vote
In the record: Special Order to Regular Place on Today's Regular Calendar (Rep DeJoie)
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
Also spoke during this billRep. John DeJoie (D - Merr 11) Rep. Jill Hammond (D - Hills 24)the record does not say which of the day's motions
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 12–1.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0808h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0994h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
Also spoke during this billRep. Neal Kurk (R - Hills 2)the record does not say which of the day's motions
Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House, this bill comes before you as a fast track bill, and for those of you who are new to the House this is probably your first experience with such a bill.…
Rep. Neal Kurk (R - Hills 2)Thank you, Madam Speaker. Members of the House, this bill comes before you as a fast track bill, and for those of you who are new to the House this is probably your first experience with such a bill. There are occasions when we have to act expeditiously and I know after days of debate you're probably doubting whether that is ever possible. Indeed it is. This will be one of those days, I believe. If this bill is passed, it will be directly sent to third reading, go across to the Senate, the Senate will hold a committee hearing on this bill tomorrow and will act on it on Thursday. If all goes well, they will not amend it. It will go directly to the Governor and with any luck this will be signed before April 1st. And here is why that's important. There is a building being constructed at the National Guard facility at the Concord airport and if we do not appropriate $57,000 of general fund bonding authority, that building will lose $2.5 million of federal funds and work on it will stop. That's the urgency. So, let me explain to you what the bill does. First, while this bill came to us as a bill about the commission on the status of men, we have used this as a vehicle to add a number of other things which have some urgency to them, including the item I just mentioned. But, let's talk first about the commission. The bill came to us with $60,000 in it for the commission and a provision of eliminating the sunset, which if it goes into effect, will abolish the commission. We took the money out of this bill, but also abolished the sunset, thus allowing the commission to continue its existence until such time as we take other action. That is the only part of the bill that deals with the commission on the status of men. The rest of the bill contains three very important appropriations. The first one I already mentioned. $57,000 and change in bonding authority so that we can avoid losing $2.5 million of federal funding and continue construction of a building that is being built as we speak. And that must be done before April 1st. Secondly, we owe the federal government approximately $225,000 as the state's 25% share of a FEMA grant to individuals who suffered damage in the May 2006 floods. The money has already been paid to them. We owe the money to the Feds. Between interest and penalties, we are paying about 8.1% on that bill. As you know, our State Treasurer cannot earn 8.1% on the money in the State Treasury, so it really pays to pay this bill quickly. The most important part of this, however, is dealing with many state agencies and departments who have not enough money in their energy accounts, like utilities, electricity - in order to pay the bills - this year - 2007. They have run out of money for two reasons. First, we didn't appropriate enough and secondly, energy prices sky rocketed more than anybody had anticipated. We need to pay those bills and that will cost us approximately $2.4 million in general funds. That money will come out of the 07' budget. It will not affect 08' and 09', the budget yet to come. The third thing that requires action is the fact that.....sorry, I covered all three; the money for the Adjutant General, the money for the FEMA grant and the money for the shortfall in energy appropriations. The total bill is $4.2 million of which $2.6 million are coming from general funds. There is enough money in surplus for us to pay this bill, but we are getting pretty close. I urge you to vote in favor of the amendment and in favor of the bill to make sure construction continues and the lights stay on. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Speaker: Will the member yield to a question?
Rep. Neal Kurk (R - Hills 2)Yes. Speaker: The member yields, Rep. Graham you may inquire.
Rep. John Graham (R - Hills 7)Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, my colleague, for yielding. You said that $2.4 million came from the general fund. Where is the rest of the money coming from?
Rep. Neal Kurk (R - Hills 2)I thank the Representative from Bedford for his question. $57,000 will be, as I said, general fund bonds. $2.6 million will come from the general fund. $158,000 will come from federal funds. $524,000 will come from the highway fund and $856,000 will come from other sources, which means usually agency income. And because I know my friend is concerned about the highway fund, I point out to you that this is a very appropriate appropriation since it keeps the lights on in the Department of Transportation. Thank you.
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 12–4; a minority, Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 13–3.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 9–4; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 237–115 on a roll call
Spoke for the motionRep. Reardon
Spoke against the motionRep. Elenore Casey Crane (R - Hills 21)
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–1.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–1.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 12–3.
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed on a voice vote
House Commerce recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 8–7; a minority, Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL).
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0800h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 222–135 on a roll call
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0800h (New Title)
Spoke for the motionRep. Reardon, Rep. Stephen DeStefano (D - Merr 13)
Spoke against the motionRep. John Hunt (R - Ches 7)
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 10–4.
Special Order (Take the bill up at a set time)
Motion Passed: Rescheduled on a voice vote
In the record: (Rep Phinizy) Special Order to March 28, 1st Bill on Calendar
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 12–3.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0822h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 217–120 on a division
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–2.
Special Order (Take the bill up at a set time)
Motion Passed: Rescheduled on a voice vote
In the record: (Rep Phinizy) Special Order to March 28, 2nd Bill on Calendar
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–1; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
In the record: Inexpedient to Legisalte
Spoke for the motionRep. Stephen Pelkey (R - Ches 7)
Spoke against the motionRep. Joel Winters (D - Hills 18)
House Commerce recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–2.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 12–4.
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed on a voice vote
House Environment and Agriculture recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 15–0.
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0756h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes on a voice vote
In the record: Ought to Pass with Amendment #0756h (New Title)
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL), 14–3; a minority, Ought to Pass (OTP).
Lay on the Table (Set the bill aside)
Motion Failed 99–240 on a roll call
In the record: Lay on Table (Rep Graham)
Inexpedient to Legislate (ITL, Kill the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Killed 198–138 on a roll call
Spoke for the motionRep. Anne-Marie Irwin (D - Hills 3) Rep. Francis Sullivan (D - Hills 12) Rep. Nancy Stiles (R - Rock 15) Rep. Kenneth Weyler (R - Rock 8) Rep. Laurie Harding (D - Graf 13)
Spoke against the motionRep. Peter Schmidt (D - Straf 4) Rep. Fran Wendelboe (R - Belk 1) Rep. Elenore Casey Crane (R - Hills 21) Rep. Claudia Chase (D - Hills 2) Rep. Jacqueline Cali-Pitts (D - Rock 30) Rep. Mary Cooney (D - Graf 8)
Reconsider (Vote again on a decision)
Motion Failed: Earlier Vote Stands 87–242 on a roll call
In the record: Reconsideration (Rep Hawkins)
House Education recommended Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA), 11–6; a minority, Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA).
Adopt the Committee Amendment (Accept the committee's changes)
Motion Passed: Amendment Adopted 223–134 on a roll call
In the record: Adopt Majority Committee Amendment 0900h
Spoke for the motionRep. J. Timothy Dunn (D - Ches 3) Rep. Kimberley Casey (D - Rock 11) Rep. Judith Reever (D - Belk 4) Rep. Nancy Stiles (R - Rock 15) Rep. Mary Jane Wallner (D - Merr 12)
Spoke against the motionRep. Carson, Rep. Paul Ingbretson (R - Graf 15) Rep. Pamela Price (R - Hills 26) Rep. David Hess (R - Merr 24)
Ought to Pass with Amendment (OTPA, Pass the bill with changes) 0900h
Motion Passed: Bill Passed with Changes 226–132 on a roll call
Print the Debate (Keep the speeches in the journal)
Motion Passed 332–26 on a division
In the record: Print Debate in Permanent Journal (Rep D. Eaton)
Reconsider (Vote again on a decision)
Motion Failed: Earlier Vote Stands 107–220 on a division
In the record: Reconsideration (Rep D. Eaton)
Also spoke during this billRep. Marjorie Smith (D - Straf 7) Rep. Michael Whalley (R - Belk 5)the record does not say which of the day's motions
House Executive Departments and Administration recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 11–4.
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed on a voice vote
House Election Law recommended Ought to Pass (OTP), 10–4.
Ought to Pass (OTP, Pass the bill)
Motion Passed: Bill Passed on a voice vote
Spoke for the motionRep. Steve Vaillancourt (R - Hills 15)
These belong to no bill. The House gives a member leave to address it, and what they said is part of the permanent record.